+1 to this.

I've stated this before and a lot of the community seemed to get very... angry with me. I like this feature because it means that no-one can ever advance farther than anyone else except by total time played - similar to Eve Online. If you started in 2014, you'll never have more SP than someone who was playing back in 2012, as in Eve Online.

Sure - go ahead and say that it's punishing the more dedicated players or that it's a disappointing mechanic. Regardless of how you feel, it's important to remember that this is more an MMO than it is an FPS. If you have more time to play it shouldn't guarantee that you're going to get rewarded more than someone who has more real-life obligations when there are long term investments that get lost from the conflict.

If Johnny can only play for three hours a day because of work, school, kids etc. and Juice can play for eight hours a day - Juice shouldn't be given more skill-points than Johnny just because he has more time to play. This wouldn't be a bad system in a game like Call of Duty or Battlefield 3 because there's no investment to lose. It's matches that have no consequence at the end. This, on the other hand, has all sorts of consequences whenever a match is won or lost.

With Juice having more time, and more SP, he is more likely to win a match - and thereby affect everything Johnny has worked for.

Welcome to the wonderful world of eve online :)

Not necessarily. In Eve Online players who have been playing longer have more skill-points in their specialization.

A player who started in 2012 has two years worth of SP gain over the player from 2014, -however- he has it all specialized in Heavies, Forge Guns, and Anti-Vehicle grenades.

The player from 2014 specializes in Assault suits with Assault Rifles and Locus Grenades. He has a marked advantage over his enemy despite the enemy having two years worth of SP.

Just saying - I get taken out by militia assault rifles in my heavy and I use advanced/prototype gear. It's not so unbelievable that the new player, choosing his specialization well, can counter other player's specializations.

You make no ******* sense. He's saying that if somebody has had an active character for over a year, they'll have an advantage over people who have had an active character for a week, even if they played less in that year, than the other guy did in that week.


Active character 365d | 7d
Playtime 50h | 150h
Skillpoints 14m | 6m

depends on how big the cap is tbh
ppl shouldnt be punished too much and make this game painfully slow grind just because they can play a bit more.

this also makes it harder for newer players to catch up to vets months down the line
when u got that cap in place no matter how much time a newbie has to play catch up he will now struggle to close the SP gap and as u said.............this is a game of consequence and now the newbie is being punished because he didnt start playing from day 1.

How do you figure dude? I've been playing CONSOLE first person shooters for as long as I've had a PS3 - which I bought for Dust 514. I have no issue going toe-to-toe with the majority of players and admittedly there are a few that I still have issues with (but actively avoid).

Time played doesn't mean anything over skill.
Skill doesn't mean anything over time played.

It's a perfect system that all depends on the player itself that learns by their mistakes and can counteract their flaws over time - such is the way of everything New Eden is.

And why the **** shouldn't it be that way? This game was never intended to be ****ing balanced - if you don't like it go back to your p.o.s FPS game. I get tired of this same freaggin argument over and over again.

edit: This is the same frakking logic you're trying to prove so what's the got damn issue?

Generally we do what we're talking about when we're not trolling you know. ;)

As for the FPS comparisons against an MMO game are you missing that this is a FPSMMO not a FPS or a MMO?

I suppose the next thing you're going to say is that because its a FPSMMO and not a MMOFPS that the FPS section and balance should be put before anything MMO related.

I never once agree'd with you - and your strawman argument is ridiculous.

We're done here, and I desperately await the opportunity to show you how little your "gun-game" matters in New Eden.

Since you skipped over it to get your point across I'll repost it again:

System A) A player experiences diminishing returns but no hard cap to where they can just endless rack in SP, so that from Day One they will have AN INCREDIBLE ADVANTAGE over a new player.

or

System B) Where a player starting from day one his a hard-cap but will always have an advantage over a new player.

Just saying, System B is the lesser of two evils. I'd rather fight against someone who's faced hard-caps and has a set amount of SP because he's been playing longer than I have than someone who does absolutely nothing with their life -AND- has been playing longer than me with no limitations on how much he can gain from his matches.

Jesus christ... That's it - putting a bounty on your head for stupidity...

Underlined being the operative word. But in some cases there aren't a win-win solution to be found. Some cases there are only lose-lose and one has to pick which of those lose conditions are more in favour of ones goals.